Rj Mac Report post Posted March 14, 2014 Chris, I found a recipe for applesauce on PWI , it included TSP and Borax. It was a old post when some guys were going to make a cookbook. I am having trouble finding a source for 12.5% sh, the Leslie's pool supply here doesn't carry any liquid sh, just granular CH which I have seen some post over there about using that, but I have seen others say that it leaves white streaks on black roofs. Back to the TSP and Borax would that boost my weak SH 8.25% is easy to get a sam's club but cleaning the roof as fast as possible i am sure would make more MONEY. Could I use the CH instead or am I asking for trouble? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
garyw Report post Posted March 14, 2014 Check and see if there is a Univar Chemical close by. Ch will leave a white film on everything it touches. Doug Rucker can tell you about the nitemare he experienced usuing a powered bleach solution he purchased from AC.. Worst mistake he ever made. Borax and/or TSP will help your solution, but hard to dissolve unless you use hot water to mix with. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rj Mac Report post Posted March 14, 2014 I have read about what happened to Doug, we have a Harcos chemical distributor but those guys are hard to deal with and the required purchase amount is out of the question. There is a pool supply in Concord near Charlotte that has liquid SH, that is a 125 mile round trip for me. If the TSP and Borax will give me a boost, I could mix that at the shop before heading out and then add SH on site. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
garyw Report post Posted March 14, 2014 What does the local water Co. use? Any large laundry Co. close by? Ask around and see if you can buy from them. Harcros won't let you buy 1 or 2. 53 gal drums at a time. Explain that might go up as your business grows. Good Luck. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
garyw Report post Posted March 14, 2014 Get with both of the certified members in the directory and see where they buy from. Maybe you 3 could combine an order? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doug Rucker Report post Posted March 17, 2014 Actually was purchased from powerwashstore.com. and believe me that was far from the worst mistake I ever made. Actually not even on the radar for me as far as mistakes are concerned...lol But...I agree on the white scale. I strongly recommend against the use of powdered CH. I have never seen it used yet where it did not leave the white scale. Don 't make things harder than they have to be, use liquid SH. If you want to "boost" your SH to clean faster use less water when diluting it. You can also add some Fresh and Clear from Leslies pool supply. We use it in the winter time to boost our mix. Also see if you can find a Pool Supply store and see if they carry 10% liquid pool shock. Leslies here also does not carry SH, but there are manny other's that do. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Advantage Roof Cleaning Report post Posted March 17, 2014 You can find 12.5% at The Great Escape which I believe is a national chain. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rj Mac Report post Posted March 18, 2014 Actually was purchased from powerwashstore.com. and believe me that was far from the worst mistake I ever made. Actually not even on the radar for me as far as mistakes are concerned...lol But...I agree on the white scale. I strongly recommend against the use of powdered CH. I have never seen it used yet where it did not leave the white scale. Don 't make things harder than they have to be, use liquid SH. If you want to "boost" your SH to clean faster use less water when diluting it. You can also add some Fresh and Clear from Leslies pool supply. We use it in the winter time to boost our mix. Also see if you can find a Pool Supply store and see if they carry 10% liquid pool shock. Leslies here also does not carry SH, but there are manny other's that do. I have a Leslie's close by and very convenient to most of my service area. Can you post an example of a mix that would be using 8% SH and the Leslie's fresh and clear? I appreciate your help with this. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rj Mac Report post Posted March 18, 2014 You can find 12.5% at The Great Escape which I believe is a national chain. Dave, looks like those guys are just a chain store in your neck of the woods. Thanks for the effort I appreciate any and all help. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doug Rucker Report post Posted March 19, 2014 I have a Leslie's close by and very convenient to most of my service area. Can you post an example of a mix that would be using 8% SH and the Leslie's fresh and clear? I appreciate your help with this. Whatever your mix you are using just add a 1/2 a bag and see if that works for you. If needed add more till you get to where you like it. We only use it in cold weather here, high 30's and 40's, Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rj Mac Report post Posted March 19, 2014 Thanks Doug, I will give it a try. I did find one pool supplier that can get me 12.5% SH...15 gallon drum...$65 dollars....by the time I pick up running about $4.67 a gallon. I'm thinking OUCH! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
garyw Report post Posted March 19, 2014 Have you tried to locate a Univar location?? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brian A Report post Posted December 26, 2014 Try adding baking soda. It boosts bleach. I use it in my mix and find the bleach is far more effective. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Apple Roof Cleaning (813) 655-8777 Report post Posted December 26, 2014 Try adding baking soda. It boosts bleach. I use it in my mix and find the bleach is far more effective. When using the SH, be sure and have your PH at PH 12 or above, for maximum formation of the Hypochlorite ION. Baking Soda, Sodium Hydroxide, and TSP are all things that can be used to raise PH, and so can Sodium Metasilicate. SH has 2 components, one is the Hyperchlorus acid, it forms at lower PH's, and is a disinfectant, one reason why we add acid to our swimming pools, to bring down the PH. However, for roof cleaning, we want the Hypochlorite ION to form, and it wants to be at PH 12 or higher. Brian, I may have a research project for you Mate ! 2 Sergio and Ultimate Roof Cleaning & Pressure Washing reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brian A Report post Posted December 26, 2014 That's fantastic info Chris.I haven't found a simple outline of sh additive info like that anywhere. Whilst I know tsp can make a Gray single roof shine,I just find baking soda more universal and safer around paint and windows. Are there any draw backs to sodium hydroxide in a roof or house cleaning mix? 1 Apple Roof Cleaning (813) 655-8777 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brian A Report post Posted December 26, 2014 Oh yeah research project. Fine I'll go find out. Lol :) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Apple Roof Cleaning (813) 655-8777 Report post Posted December 27, 2014 Oh yeah research project. Fine I'll go find out. Lol OK, there IS a sodium hypochlorite "activator" I found once. I can't seem to find it now. I should have marked it as a favorite, but forgot to, and plus, it is from India. It is made to increase the ability of Sodium Hypochlorite to remove dye from clothing, and so because it increases the oxidation potential (cleaning power) of Sodium Hypochlorite, it will also increase the roof cleaning abilities. That's fantastic info Chris.I haven't found a simple outline of sh additive info like that anywhere. Whilst I know tsp can make a Gray single roof shine,I just find baking soda more universal and safer around paint and windows. Are there any draw backs to sodium hydroxide in a roof or house cleaning mix? No drawbacks to using more Sodium Hydroxide, as long as you don't exceed 5% of the total solution. ALL Sodium Hypochlorite contains some Sodium Hydroxide, that is left over from the manufacturing process, and is intentionally left in it, to help increase shelf life. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brian A Report post Posted December 27, 2014 Is there any point at which sh can be boosted/activated so well that it could cause damage? I.e start turning shingles lighter in color 1 Apple Roof Cleaning (813) 655-8777 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Apple Roof Cleaning (813) 655-8777 Report post Posted December 27, 2014 Is there any point at which sh can be boosted/activated so well that it could cause damage? I.e start turning shingles lighter in color Well, it all depends on what way you go on the PH. If you go for high ph, then you are activating the Hypochlorite ION, and it is pretty safe. But, if you drop the PH, down to PH 7 let's say, you wind up with an oxidizer that can be nearly 100 times stronger. The problem with dropping the PH of Sodium Hypochlorite below PH 8 is this YOU CAN BE KILLED !!!!! This is how Mustard Gas was made back in WW1, and it will flat KILL YOU ! I had a friend who cleaned river rock on swimming pool decks by first spraying the deck with an acid solution, and then he hit it with a sodium hypochlorite solution. The acid turbocharged the sodium hypochlorite, and it cleaned like all get out. But it was always done outside, with a gas mask! DO NOT< I REPEAT< DO NOT ADD ACID TO SODIUM HYPOCHLORITE< UNLESS YOU WANT TO DIE 3 Brian A, Ultimate Roof Cleaning & Pressure Washing and Whirled Peace Powerwashing reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sderiis Report post Posted October 4, 2019 Check and see if there is a Univar Chemical close by. Ch will leave a white film on everything it touches. Doug Rucker can tell you about the nitemare he experienced usuing a powered bleach solution he purchased from AC.. Worst mistake he ever made. Borax and/or TSP will help your solution, but hard to dissolve unless you use hot water to mix with. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites